[Aoki Kanji] Houtekini Mondainai Anetono Kankei (COMIC Grape Vol.100) [English]

Legally? Should be legal. Morally? Not a big deal. Personally? I love it.

hentai so good ppl out here pondering and shit 🥀🥀🥀🥀

what in the hentai comment section is going on.

I mean, dude's JustSaying

This shit fine af

Nigga's been moaning about incest for 3 years man. Y'all just weird as fuck good thing incest is illegal and faggotry should also be made illegal again

Lwky cute ngl

stfu about inbreeding; not everyone is fucking to make children bruh

These comments are killing me 😂

I learned a lot from these comments, thanks :))

Jeese what the fuck are you talking about

Also, I want to clarify that majority of mutational loads comes from mutation due to age aka older people having children, not from racemixing but still racemixing will gonna bring in genetic loads and unpurged alleles but due to rarity of such unions it usually not much of a concern. I also wanna clarify the genetic rescue, even though it’s a horrible strategy it does have its merit regarding small but genetically diverse population due to them being not able to survive purging process

I think it’s just societal made up pressure that prevents inbreeding for the most part. I mean, I remember reading somewhere that 20% of Alsace Catholics married their cousins during 1800s and also 10-20% marriage was between cousins in Kyushu even after the ww2. Inbreeding only decreased through bunch of societal pressure where it basically made it unwritten law where having relationship with your relative is absurd and having incest children will be mutant etc. Latter is not necessarily wrong but quite ignorant of the larger picture. Though, thanks to molecular biology we should be able to remove these societal pressures

holy shit people be turning to shakespeare and aristotle after reading this

The problem with incest in general is that it goes against most religious values so it's engraved into the society, and is considered immoral and taboo, but can we define what's taboo? And what's immoral? Gay romance and marriage was illegal and seen as a taboo like 3 decades ago now it's the norm, the problem incest has is that the children will have a highest chance of regressive genes inheritance and could lead to their immunity to be lesser than average and prone to more diseases, to solve that just don't have children, adopt or receive sperm or egg donation and each having 2 child with another person vie invitro fertilisation, incest between consenting adults should be legal

People in this comments writing 🔥🔥🔥 🖋️

why the comment section turned philosophers with this one 🥀

Holy my guy down there dropping the entire page worth of proposal. Tbh, I don't really care about the legality of incest, or the morality this world has regarding incest. While I do feel disgust whenever I see incest in real life, majority of my feeling is like 25% disgust, 75% whatever/don't realy care. I like reading incest not because I want to do it in real life (I really can't imagine myself doing it), but it's because I just like it, and also some kind of feeling of breaking the taboo. Like, it’s the taboo itself that makes it kinda exciting in fiction, not the subject matter being “right” or “wrong.” For me, it’s just entertainment, full stop. I think people can (and hope to) separate fiction from reality without making it a huge moral issue every time.

Well my answer to that is that adoptive siblings lack the blood related sexiness of real siblings. People mate assortatively, we naturally like genetic similarity, but too much can lead to inbreeding depression which is why the westermark effect exists. The westermark effect works by negatively sexually imprinting on people we lived with during early childhood since they’re likely a sibling. In siblings raised apart something called genetic sexual attraction can happen where they are extremely attracted to each other when they reunite, likely because of the high genetic similarity without the westermark desensitization. An adoptive sibling has all of the westermark aversion, but none of the GSA. If the override mechanism evolved to only work when the sibling is both sexy and compatible it may not activate for adoptive siblings because they lack that sexiness. The whole point of this mechanism is to promote inbreeding when not harmful, adoptive siblings don’t fall under that.

I think in roman Egypt their long term widespread practice of inbreeding lead to genetic purging driving the sibling compatibility rate close to the limit of 25%. They practiced sibling marriage at a rate of about 20% for a long time, since the very first Roman census. It’s almost certain that they were practicing sibling marriage during the Ptolemaic period and possibly even during the new kingdom, but before the Romans arrived the marriages of commoners were not important enough to be recorded and preserved. We know they practiced sibling marriage among the elites during these periods, maybe the general population did too. One obvious hole in my theory you may be thinking about is: If incest aversion is overridden for compatible siblings why are adoptive siblings still icky, as in the sim pua marriages?

Full siblings have a 25% chance of inheriting opposite halves of their parents’ MHC DNA and so no more than 25% of siblings are genetically compatible mates. The higher fertility rates are, the more siblings people have and the more chances there are to have a compatible one. Serendipitously higher birth rates also improve genetic purging efficiency. This will mean that when birth rates are high and the population can afford some inbreeding depression sibling marriage will happen at a higher rate and when birth rates are low the population takes a break from genetic purging. Inbreeding depression is kept in check since people only marry siblings who happen to have good compatibility with themselves genetically. We know humans can use scent and pheromones to detect genetic compatibility in prospective mates, why wouldn’t this apply to siblings?

The theory is that people have westermark incest aversion, but we selectively override it when our siblings are genetically compatible enough that the benefit of increased relatedness in children is more than the downside of inbreeding depression. Because a child you have with your sister carries 75% of your genes and not 50% you only need them to have 66% of the reproductive success for inbreeding to be worth it. There are two main factors going into genetic compatibility between siblings, shared harmful recessive alleles and MHC similarity. You want a mate with dissimilar MHC DNA so that your children have heterozygous MHC genes which is superior for the immune system as it’s better to have more responses and antibodies than duplicates. As siblings continuously inbreed when compatible enough it will decrease the prevalence of deleterious genes in the population and increase the compatibility rate until it’s mostly determined by MHC dissimilarity.

Since this appears to be the place for it I am going to dump some of my theories about incest. I think the westermark effect does exist however it does not create visceral disgust for incest, merely absence of sexual attraction, and the disgust is culturally ingrained. The Chinese used to have a practice called sim pua wherein a family would adopt and raise a girl to be the wife of one of their sons, these marriages were plagued by lack of mutual attraction, low fertility and usually ended in divorce. However in Roman Egypt incest was practiced at very high rates, 20-25%, and sibling marriages had marginally higher fertility implying that these siblings actually had increased attraction and more sex, especially considering the fact that it’s biologically harder for siblings to conceive. I have a theory I call selective incest aversion which explains it.

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Didn't quite like it, but edged anyway. 🥥

The only actual argument I heard against incest is grooming, which is another coping mechanism, exploited by Western liberals and moralists who selectively cherry-pick what is objectively true. They distort reality to suit their ideological agendas.

I've done my own research on inbreeding, and I think just saying guys has strong points. My point is that if homosexuality is accepted under Western morality, then there shouldn't be an issue with incest between consenting adults.

@adolfpotato, this is hilarious! When society condemns incest, it's criminalized everywhere, with some countries even imposing the death penalty. Do you really think people in incestuous relationships will come forward to disprove the data you mentioned? Moreover, you fabricated the data altogether.

I must clarify that successive generations of inbreeding increase the risk of birth defects. The first few generations are usually unaffected, but problems arise after centuries of inbreeding. People often cite examples of inbred families without considering their extensive history of inbreeding. If you and your sibling had a child, don't assume they would develop romantic feelings for their sibling. Incest has more historical evidence than homosexuality, but remains taboo due to moral and legal concerns, similar to homosexuality in the past.

@justSaying I like you lil bro you're doing great work.

Thats what I thought too @IAmDaOne. But really who would really find out if you do incest if it's private?

Incest should be allowed; as long as no babies are ever made, no? Isn't that the only problem society really has with it?

Also read all your replies here, and checked the studies you posted. Very eye opening, something that intrigued me is the Ashkenazi jews segment, they are indeed a bit inbred, more then other ethnic groups, but also the highest IQ group in the world. But with that comes their various genetic diseases, So supposedly they continue with inbreeding (Which I doubt is they are mostly leftists liberal leaning right now. Both in USA and Israel.) According to you, or at least my understanding of the various inbreeding stuff What is the ideal long term inbreeding to get rid of those of genetic diseases?

Just skimmed through the Wikipedia page about genetic purging and checked some of the sources listed. It seem what you're saying has some basis. Would probably do a more extensive research in the future.

Just read about genetic purging then about embryo selection. You will get it

@justSaying I support incest, but is that inbreeding stuff actually true?

We literally have a means to mitigate the deleterious effects of inbreeding aka fixation of additive deleterious recessive alleles on the loci through embryo selection.

Don't fuck the haters, fuck your siblings instead.

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@justsaying pack a lunch bro you've been arguing here for over a year it's not that deep and incest Is bad irl

@justSaying knows his stuff. Only a small minority of recessive mutations are even harmful, therefore the likelihood of expressing harmful traits through first-generation sibling inbreeding is very slim. In fact, it is genetically less risky than many perfectly legal ways to conceive, such as banging women over 30 or actually retarded people. The risks of inbreeding can be mitigated by, well, more inbreeding, because under natural selection, only the healthy offspring should be selected by potential mates (over time, this should result in harmful traits going extinct). Comparatively, recessive traits are invisible in the short-term when outbreeding, but this very invisibility means there's no way to select against these traits until the genetic load of a population inevitably gets bad enough that it's already too late. So, it is actually MORE harmful in the long-term to outbreed. Furthermore, outbreeding loses to inbreeding when it comes to advantageous recessive mutations.

One of the goats, love coming back to this one. So sweet

As long as they promise not to have an offspring I'm down

i know damn well page 6 ...but a wish is a wish

i want the life they have

this needs a prequel

Face it liberals, page 6 is nothing but facts.

Incest is indeed wincest in some cases.

@hentaiprotagonist69 thanks, and yours too. On the matters of genetics I would suggest you to read "Inbreeding and epigenetics: beneficial as well as deleterious effects" to understand purging, and 'Estimates of genetic load suggest frequent purging of deleterious alleles in small populations' to understand genetic diversity and deleterious alleles. After that, you could learn about real-world data. My hypothesis about Muslims is that they simply have high genetic diversity due to the Middle East being the crossroads of many different civilizations. But inbreeding kind of helped the Japanese and Ashkenazi Jews by helping them select much more desirable genes. After all, Ashkenazis only descended from 300 people in the 1200s, and they were a cluster of communities throughout Europe. For Japanese, they had a 10% cousin marriage rate during the post-war periods, meaning that before the Meiji period, the cousin marriage rate was probably quite high. I remember reading about it being 20% fo

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